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Extended Suspension and Stalled Vehicle

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By MaG4 - 7 Aug 2009

Hello,



I have two doubts, maybe someone could give me advice:



1. Yesterday I was going up a pretty steep hill (my G4 is automatic), and I had activated the high supension mode and LOW gear. Half way up the hill, I noticed I wasn´t giving enough gas as it started sliding a bit backwards...so I hit the brakes and then accelerated but the vehicle suddenly stalled and luckily, I was able to steer straight and go back down backwards safely. QUESTION: Does anyone know why the car stalled???



2. I then decided to give it another go but with a different approach: I maintained a steady accelaration all the way up and it went up without problem. Once I was in top of the hill, I got out of the car and notcied the suspension was higher than usual. It was much more extended than high mode so I got back in the car and looked at the button next to the gear shift and noticed it was blinking in high mode. I then pushed the lever down and it went to normal high mode and light stopped blinking. QUESTION: I think I read somewhere that the car has a super extension mode when it npotices it has an obstacle to surpass but this option is not something you can do manually...it is rather an automatic response from the car. Is this correct???
By Kisangani - 7 Aug 2009

Morning Marcello

I'm no technical genius and there are folk here who have considerably more knowledge, but I thought i might see if I can help.

1. When we were playing with the D3s at selections we got to play in some pretty muddy sections, the idea being we would get stuck and then practice winching. I noticed a couple of times, right at the very end of movement before being stuck they stalled a couple of times.

I put this down to being so stuck even with the low torque of the auto gear box, the only option is to stall, thus preventing damage to the transmission. In an old TDi with a manual box when you reached this point, you knew you could go no further, so just depressed the clutch and got out to dig. To try any further risked burning clutches, or possible destroying diffs, gear boxes, or prop shafts.

Being up a steep hill trying to drive off presented the same challenge, a near 3 tonne vehice on a steep incline was too much for the transmissin so to prevent damage she stalled.

I don't see it as a problem, rather stall than break something. Next time on the descent though, start the engine, select reverse and the hill descent control, you will have a lot safer return trip. Freewheeling back is notoriously dangerous.

2. Your right about the suspension going to extended. I suspect as you reached the crest of the slope the ground came close to the chassis. Its called extended mode, it is fully automatic, and designed to help elevate the vehicle off possible obstacles or prevent grounding. It is possible to extend even higher manually after extended has been activated. The suspension adjustment light does blink, and if you look at the dash it should tell you its in extended. Like you say it shold return to normal by flicking the suspension control either way.

Hope this helps, I had a look at your pics too, she looks great. Did you put the privacy glass in the back? Or was it standard. She looks cool with the blacked out windows, really sets off the orange. I couldn't help thinking how neat it would be to fit a small hydralic arm to the lighting panel, and a switch in the cab, so they pop up automatically, very James Bond!!

Cheers

Rich

By camel_landy - 7 Aug 2009

Yes, you can stall an auto, especially if you let it roll backwards. However, even if you don't get the car started, HDC should still be active to control the descent.



As for Extended Mode, yep it's fully automatic and you can't manually put the car into that mode. However, when the car decides it needs to go into Extended Mode, it'll chime to warn you that it has entered Extended Mode and the suspension light by the switch will flash continuously to let you know you're in that mode.



Now, here's the fun bit... You can push Extended Mode even further. :w00t:



If you hold the car on the brake pedal, press and hold the suspension raise switch until the car 'chimes' again and the car will go into an extended Extended Mode... ;)



Just remember that once you've entered the extended modes, you need to revert the suspension back to normal as soon as is possible to prevent damage to the systems.



HTH



M
By CraigS-L - 7 Aug 2009

As he says super super mode is very high, but the way it does it is by massively increasing the pressure in the springs, so you have next to no suspension travel, and I hate to thing how loud the bang would be if you flicked up a rock and puncture a bag.

Never done super super mode in mine, but had it in extended mode twice - usually invoked when the system senses more than one wheel has no load and no progress is being made.

By MaG4 - 7 Aug 2009

The three standard height option modes are:



1. Normal = highway everyday use

2. High= Extend mode for obstacles

3. Low= access car for parking etc..



Now, my question is:



When the car is in mode 2 (high), can I MANUALLY make it Extra extended? Or this is automatic and only the system decides when to do it?



It has also been stated (which arises another doubt I have) that when the car is in Extra Extended mode, you can manually make it go into SUPER extra Extended mode. Is this correct?



Thanks again!
By camel_landy - 7 Aug 2009

MaG4 (07/08/2009)
When the car is in mode 2 (high), can I MANUALLY make it Extra extended? Or this is automatic and only the system decides when to do it?




It is automatic, there is no manual way of entering this mode.



MaG4 (07/08/2009)
It has also been stated (which arises another doubt I have) that when the car is in Extra Extended mode, you can manually make it go into SUPER extra Extended mode. Is this correct?




Correct. Once in Extended Mode, you can manually make it go into mega-super-dooper extra extended mode. :D



M
By Baloo - 8 Aug 2009

Mark is sort of right and sort of wrong about the extended mode bit.

There are a number of extended modes, to do with stopping the car from lowering or raising if it in contact with anything and stopping it if you open a door.

You can invoke the extended mode you are looking for. To make it happen the vehicle needs to be grounded out with wheelspin as I understand it. So if you want to get to extended you lower the car purposly to ground it and get some wheel spin, that should make the first extended work. The other trick will not always work. sometimes there is just no more lift available once it has done the first lift.

The important thing however, once you get extended with the flashing off road hight light, sensible folks reverse off, stupid ones drive on.

And yes, re-set it as soon as possible. you will find the ride is rather on the firm side.

To re-visit the first post.

If you let an auto roll back it will indeed stall.

This can sometimes happen when the vehicle changes up.

And yes, good progressive acceleration is the way to go.

Best practice for slippery climbs, drive up in the highest practical gear, in other words engage the command shift side of the box and use 3rd or even force it up higher, depends on your risk assesment. Also a good plan to turn DSC off, use a combination of momentum and the available traction. And always remember a good safe failed hill proceedure.

This was going to be a quick answer. Never mind, hope it helps.

By Baloo - 8 Aug 2009

Just thought.

I should add that there is no real practical advantage to forcing the vehicle to go extended as the suspension is then so firm that very little articulation is available.

Treat it as a "get out of jail free card" so that you can reverse away from the problem and re asses the situation. If you use it to make progress you could end up VERY stuck.

By julesthorne - 9 Aug 2009

I thought the extended height is not available on the 2005 vehicles. When I last did my LR exp day it was demo'd on a Disco 3. Not much really to do with stalling a LR on a hill.



Cheers



Jules
By MaG4 - 10 Aug 2009

Hello Rich,



Yes, I had the privacy glass installed myself. As for the hydralic arm, would be fantastic but I don´t see this happening...price wise!!!
By The OC (Augusto) - 10 Aug 2009

Hey Ballo



Great explanation, very good to have an Experience Centre instructor in the club ;)
By Camelroel - 2 Sep 2009

You don't need wheel spin to go from off-road height to extended height.

If you want to test it it is easy:

Park on a firm ground (parking lot, driveway) Leave engine running.

Put it in Off-road Height

Put an axle stand or Jack under crossmember under the gearbox.

You can then or jack it up and it will go in extended mode or you can select normal height and then the D3 will try to lower and senses that it bottums out and will raise to extended mode.

I cannot get my 2005 manual into super extended mode. I tried severall times.

If have had very high stands after being recovered.

If you get stuck and dig in on a steep soft sand hill the D3 will go in extended mode. If you then get recovered backwards by pulling you D3 up you will get additional clearance.

By DaveM - 2 Sep 2009

Not sure I can add much value other than a picture of a stranded D3! Went to Hogmoor at the weekend and the ground is pure sand (add water = grinding paste!) A few guys had tried and failed to get through this route, so we gave it a bash, backed up by Craig in his D3 G4 and ..... we got strnaded!! totally bottomed out.  I took my foot off the accelerator, the car was still in drive, and all 4 wheels turned slowly on tickover! A fair amount of bonging from the dashboard and the went into extended mode - and still no tyre to ground contact! I didnt realise there was a manual overirde to take it into super extended mode - will have to try that next time!

End result was a smooth backward recovery by Craig! Thanks!!

By Kisangani - 2 Sep 2009

Poor fella in the back looks mightly impressed!! That would make a great caption competition, guess what he's thinking!!!

Great photo Dave

Rich