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Moving from U.S. to London are - bring my original G4 Freelander with me?

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By smileman - 16 Sep 2010

I have one of the original G4 Freelanders used in the 2003 U.S. portion of the race and I am moving to London to start a doctoral program at LSE in the next few weeks. Not sure where exactly I'll be living in/around London and pros/cons of owning a car there, but will be on somewhat of a student budget.



My G4 has only 36K miles on it, and I have put a lot into the car in terms of restoring it to G4 spec, putting a 2" lift one it, and I would love to keep it.



Would love to hear peoples thoughts on the following topics:



-Pros/cons of owning a car, and this car, in/around London.



-Ease of mechanical repair. The engine is fine right now. But I've been told I can't get a new engine for it in the U.S., but I imagine I could maybe in the UK? Of I could possibly do a diesel conversion to the TD4 in the UK?



-Ease of later selling the G4 in the U.K.? Do people in the UK like to buy U.S. (left side drive) vehicles?



-G4 vehicles are probably more highly sought after in the UK than the U.S. I imagine I could get close to $10-11K U.S. right now for it, although I suspect the aftermarket warranty would be voided if I took it overseas. What could it fetch in the U.K.? Here's the link to my ad:



http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/cto/1957761386.html



-Overall, is it worth doing this?



Thanks for your thoughts!
By Sweep - 16 Sep 2010

Hi,



One on the ease of selling your US spec freelander over here in the UK, there are a fare few US servicemen living over here at Lakenheath and a few other US/RAF sites to. So no doubt there would be a good target audience for your motor. With regard the swap to a TD4 I couldn't comment.



Sweep
By CraigS-L - 17 Sep 2010

I guess it is best the let the FL owners respond properly, but my guess is that yours is a V6? If so don't bother changing to a TD4, the V6 was sold here and the basic engine is type approved, and with all the electronics to change you would never recover the cost just by the fuel saving. You can still get V6 exchanges in the UK, not sure about new ones

I guess you would need to adjust your headlamps for RHD ones, and depending on your other lights you may need to change the bulbs in the indicators/rear fog?

Other than that a genuine 2003 V6 would be quite a rare car with some value if you were to leave it here, a little less than for a RHD SA/Aus car. Or as I suspect it will remain rare on your side of the pond it could be worth shipping back if you return home.

Your biggest problem will be living with one in London (or any car for that matter on a student budget) unless you get some where to live with off street parking.

By ginga ninja - 17 Sep 2010

I live in South East London and have a 2005 G4 V6 Freelander, which is left hand drive. I use mine for travel to and from France where I have a holiday home. I'm sure the front lights are still set up for Europe and I use the stick on deflectors for use in the UK. The local garage suggested I got the lights adjusted to a neutral position but I'm not sure of the legalities here or in Europe of such a re-alignment.

I don't think there would be any problem selling or using the vehicle here as long as any Road Traffic Act Construction and Use Regulations are met. Of course you are only a few miles from France and 2nd hand vehicles there do seem to sell for a higher price (just a thought). There are always UK citizens looking for LHD vehicles as they have interests in Europe.

As for using it in London its a bit of a fuel monster using a UK gallon every 16-17 miles, and the price of gas here is 2-2.5 times the price in US. Plus if there is the congestion charge living in or travelling into central London. Living a bit further out mand use public transport is my advice.

Wavell

By Kennaugh - 20 Oct 2010

I have a 1997 P38 Range Rover 4.6 (in low key AA yellow) which I bought new when we lived in the US and brought to the UK when we returned in '02.

First, shipping is pretty cheap on a ro-ro from a majo port like Newark (shipped my new 2008 Range Rover G4 there and back from Southampton for 3 months this summer, about £1,000 there and $1,000 back).  There are a lot of forms to fill and use of an agent is money well spent. 

I am usure bout the tax implications for foreigner bringing in a presonal import (I was able  bring in my car tax free as I had owned it overseas for over a year and was returning to UK tax residency).  On this basis you too could probably import tax free.

If you choose not to bring in the car as a permanent import but instead just come in as a visitor (i.e. keep it on US plates), you can do this for a year before you have to decide whether to register it in the UK or remove it from the country.  Frankly, I'd be surprised if anyone was counting the days and if you do decide to take the car back to the US after a couple of years the're not likely to stop you from exporting it... Be aware though that Her Majesty's Customs have much more Draconian powers than the police, so if they were to pick up on a vehicle that had overstayed its welcome they can immediately impound it.  That said, they are generally focussed on a much more important day job in countering drug runners and terrorists.

Getting a car registered is a bit of a pain.  You have to go to an inspection centre (of which there are few, dotted around the country) and get a single vehicle type approval certificate because although your car was made in the UK it will have no EU type approval and most critical components - windscreen, seatbelts - have only US DOT rather than EU approval marks.  The testers at the centre I went to were very friendly but were flummoxed to see an essentially British car before them - all the other vehicles awaiting their attention were grey market Mitsubishi Evos and assorted Chevy Corvettes and Hummers.  I had changed the headlight units to RHD ones and had the front indicators rewired so they are not permanantly on at night.  The latter was essential, the former optional (stick-on beam deflectors ar apparently permitted).  There was a bit of bickering over the DOT marks - at one stage some clown told me I'd have to replace the windscreen, seatbelts and airbags with EU marked ones - but he was overruled by his suprvisor and I drove off an hour later with type approval certificate.

Parking in London is a pain and, as pointed out, can be expensive.  There is also a £8 a day congestion carge if you drive on weekdays in central London (not due if the car does not move!).  Petrol prices will astonish you.  The good new is that British insurance companies are unfazed by foreign registerd LHD cars, so you can get a competitive deal.  I had a huge issue getting a foreign registered RHD (and non-EPA approved diesel!) car insured in teh US - good job I still have a US license).  Oh yes- you'll need to pass a driving test within a year too.

A subsidiary benefit I found was that while the car was still on US plates I was pulled over a couple of times for modest speeding... and was let go each time after a suitable display of contrition with a warning (rather than fine and points, which I would definitely have got no doubt with a UK car with less paperwork involved).

When I was at the LSE myself many years ago I struggled to run my MG and ened up downgrading to a Citroen Mehari, but I'm sure an economist can calculate the costs involved.

If you want to sell the car here, I think you'd struggle to get anyting much for it unles you'd registered it.  I estimate the value of my immaculately maintained, LHD, 150k mile yellow monster to be close to zero unless I were to luck out ad find someone who really wanted it.  But that's what orums like this are for, I guess.

Let me know if you want shipper and agent suggestions.