By aedwar57 - 13 Jun 2008
Dear Colleagues,Out of interest, who would be interested in LPG conversion? Jules has had his RR converted and we could check with JE Engineering (or indeed anyone that people recommend) for best price based on number of vehicles... Interested so far........... D3 - The OC (Augusto), CraigS-L, DL4PLM, smith paul RRS - Paul Burt D2 - Stonk 101, Curryman I will talk with Gert, Jules etc - PM me any contact details of any LPG converters, prices etc...... I am writing in reply to the email I had from the G4 club re LPG conversion. I would be interested in seeing what price can be achieved by a bulk purchase, my only concern is where this would have to take place. You may remember I have the D2 4.0 petrol like you used to have, I have looked at different options and am considering removing the 2 rear seats and putting in 2 of the spare wheel shaped tanks on each side in the seat recess thus retaining the original petrol tank, this would give approx 270 mile range on gas. I would also want to fit filler caps on each side so I can be lazy and not worry which side to approach! I am open to other suggestions as someone else may have come up with a great idea. - Curryman Regards, Alan
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By The OC (Augusto) - 13 Jun 2008
me please :P
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By CraigS-L - 13 Jun 2008
Yes please!
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By Paul Burt - 13 Jun 2008
Yes Please
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By Stonk101 - 13 Jun 2008
Count me in....Toby G4 Disco II, 110, 101, RR
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By DL4PLM - 14 Jun 2008
ditto .. im interested
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By Stonk101 - 15 Jun 2008
Spoken to JE last week £2500 plus VAT for a tank in the rear luggage compartment, http://www.jeengineering.co.uk/lpg_con.htm also spoke to Green Coversion, £1900 ish plus VAT for 70 liter in the rear luggage compartment, http://www.green-conversions.co.uk/enquiries.html and Coventry autogas, £1900 no vat for fuel tank to be replaced with gas tank, http://www.coventryautogas.co.uk/index.html guess where I live, I'm keen to get the best job/finish possible.
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By Paul Smith - 18 Jun 2008
I have recently purchased a G4 Discovery 3 as I get used to the car and its consumption I would be very interested in joining with a group to gain both the expertise and hopefully a reasonable price.thanks.
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By The OC (Augusto) - 18 Jun 2008
Hey Paul, welcome to the club!! Have a good browse over the site and we can catch up later ;)
The petrol bill hurts indeed!!
We have 7 interested so far, lets see if we can get to 10!!!
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By neo - 21 Jun 2008
Whilst I am not fortunate enough to want to be able to help to government coffers by running a V8 D3.....;)I am interested in what systems are fitted, and how they are mapped/integrated into the car electronics and control systems. Especially WRT DTCs and dash lights being 'managed'.....
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By AndyMac - 22 Jun 2008
HiWe have had our D3 done already, CLS dual fuel in Durham did it for £2250ish, the gas tank goes where the spare wheel is, you get some tyre weld in case of a puncture, one of the mechanics at the local LR dealer commented on what a neat job they had done. It's great filling up for £30. On a price comparison it gives the equivalent of a vehicle doing ~30mpg. Can't recommend it enough Anne:D
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By Mark & Melanie - 22 Jun 2008
my FFRR is on a BRC system.... FAB around £2300 in OLdhamneat job. help full garage as the first manufacture installed didn't run that well. Tank in the well wheel on the roof Mark ffrr 60
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By aedwar57 - 23 Jun 2008
Have spoken with Apollo in Coventry, sent a message to JE and spoken with Green Conversions outside Stratford upon Avon.Green conversions will offer a discount if we put a deposit down and seem very clued up' as this is their core business. I hope to vist them on Friday PM. I am going to check with CLS Dual Duel - see post above and get a 'feel' from them. Regards, Alan
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By DannyBalls - 27 Jun 2008
With all due respect, is it not the intention of the club to promote the preservation of the G4 vehicles? I am having a hard time understanding the value of manipulating these vehicles in an effort to save a few dollars on fuel. I am interested in how others feel the impact of the modifications will be to the future value and interest in the G4 vehicles.BTW: Does anyone know why the US trials at the Nevada Passage were completed in White Disco 3's?
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By Erasmus - 27 Jun 2008
Danny,
Whilst I agree with you about preserving the cars, if the conversion is done well and without necessitating the removal of the "G4 kit" then I think that ultimately it will add value to the cars.
The average cost of petrol over here is currently £1.19 ($2.36) a litre whereas LPG comes in at around £0.58 ($1.15) a litre, that's a fairly significant saving even taking into account the cost of the conversion :w00t:
Cheers,
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By julesthorne - 27 Jun 2008
I have too agree, the addition of LPG doesn't detract from the G4 Vehicle's overall authenticity. If the conversion is carried out correctly the only visible addition to the outside of the vehicle is the autogas fill up point.I know cos I've had mine done! £40 to fill up the tank, and at today's ever increasing prices thats equivalent to over 40 mpg (in a 4.4 l RR)! :)
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By CraigS-L - 27 Jun 2008
Although we exist to 'preserve' the vehicles, suitable modification should not be ignored, as it is for most of us they are our only car and a daily driver, and LPG at least makes them usable rather than gathering dust.Also, it is interesting to note that the Camel Club (which is obviously our main reference point as we go forward) have many pristine vehicles as well as many 'personalised' ones.
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By camel_landy - 28 Jun 2008
CraigS-L (6/27/2008)
Although we exist to 'preserve' the vehicles, suitable modification should not be ignored, as it is for most of us they are our only car and a daily driver, and LPG at least makes them usable rather than gathering dust.
Also, it is interesting to note that the Camel Club (which is obviously our main reference point as we go forward) have many pristine vehicles as well as many 'personalised' ones.
Hmmm... There's a few arguments for & against and although you mention CTOC as a reference, you're probably better off using the classic car scene.
Some people look at originality & want to see the vehicles in concourse condition. However, there are some that take a pragmatic approach to classics and will make 'modifications' for the sake of practicality.
Personally, I don't like to see LPG conversions on cars like these. Ultimately it's your car & your choice to make.
M
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By Mark & Melanie - 1 Jul 2008
I was asked for info on who installed my LPG sorry for the delay but here's the Linkhttp://80.45.13.172/lpg/ They had a problem at first with the Stefanelli kit, huge MPG over 30 but didn't run well at idle. Swapped to BRC unbelievable kit, not noticeable the swap over. Kick down hard and keep it down instantaneous response then swaps to Petrol over 5500 revs. The lads there very helpful and keen to get it right. 
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By Mark & Melanie - 1 Jul 2008
 
very tidy job all cables within the 4 cable ducts, the control box fits into a Fuse box well, If you want any more info, get in touch
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By curryman - 2 Jul 2008
Hi
just an update on a quote from a company near Guilford, this system would remove one fold out seat for those who converted the back like me to fit in the kids!. This would leave the main petrol tank in situ and give approx 12 galls of fuel at 80% fill. I discussed the dougnut tanks and their perception was that they had poor fixing systems and if fitted close to side of vehicle posed an impact risk, generally better to have tank on floor on one side of boot area. re maintenance they suggetsed an annual check of the system and a new inline filter fitted ( this could be done in a quick " have a coffee" service)
below is the basic quote
Dear David, further to our telephone conversation yesterday, herewith the
quotation to convert your Land Rover Discovery 4.0 series 2:
Conversion system: AG/Teleflex SGI (as supplied by NME)
http://www.teleflexgfi.nl/sgi.htm
LPG tank: 70 litre cylinder (56 LPG) (360 x 810mm) installed in the N/S of
the boot longitudaly with the removal of N/S extra seat
Conversion time: 5 days
Availability: Currently 2 weeks
Total cost: £1990.00 + VAT
With best regards
Rob Carnell
Alternative Fuel Systems Ltd
www.afs.uk.com
Regards curryman
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By DannyBalls - 10 Jul 2008
I concur with Camel Landy (M). I would hate to see a deterioration in interest of the vehicles due to a marginal improvement in fuel economy. At the end of the day these vehicles are limited and are probably intended for those who can maintain them in their original state. I disagree on how the term "modification" is implied as being minor. Changing the fuel rails on a vehicle is not a minor modification. It is a major overhaul that changes not only the look of the vehicle, it also changes its performance. Again, my interest is not in one's personal decisions, my interest is in the preservation of the vehicles. I think we have a unique opportunity to see appreciative valuations in our vehicles as long as the interest in the vehicles in maintained.
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By macg4 - 10 Jul 2008
hi alan interested ffrr 4.4 V8 06 model cheers andy
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By julesthorne - 10 Jul 2008
Guys and Girls, It's not about how org your landy is. It's about being able to keep the dream alive inspite of gorden brown's miss informed VED changes. I have changed my FFRR for LPG, how ever I'm still committed that I will try to keep the vehicle as org as poss. However such changes are necessary. My FFRR will be going in for a LR mod to the rear diff on the 28 Jul. This is ensures that the rear diff is mod'd to stop the current slpine ware - should I not do this either? We have to move with the times and that may mean slight mods to our vehs. :) It's not a rant by any means, however fuel costs - and at £1.117 + a litre it's just too much :) Rgds Jules
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By Mark & Melanie - 11 Jul 2008
LPG or have the car garaged up out of sight?Keep the cars on the road, or Off road, move with the times.
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By martin bisby - 11 Jul 2008
still torn between being origional and how much longer can i keep pouring fuel away, LPG has its merits however it wasnt on the vehicle as a G4 Challenge car therefore shouldnt realy be there now. as for origionality surley the minute you replace a panel or other part it is not origionalmark you raise a good point about the classic car movement, and i think in another thread about the reg of a vehicle (HUE 166) if they were not on the vehicle it would be just another nice example, so that something makes it worthwhile having (CTOC with their winner of [year] or driven by) and having a G4 as used in the challenge is what makes our vehicles unique, putting LPG in whilst economical is not in keeping with origionality Triggers definition i have the origional broom since i started with the council 25 years ago, 13 new heads and 15 handles regards martin
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By camel_landy - 11 Jul 2008
On a more practical note...
I've been doing a bit of digging re LPG (a friend was thinking of converting his '99 V8 Auto) and there appears to be reliability issues on older vehicles. Something to do with the carbon deposits in the engine leading to hot-spots and then damaging the engine.
Basically, the recommendation I got was: Don't convert unless it's a new vehicle. Save your money on the repair bills and offset it against your fuel bills.
M
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By camel_landy - 11 Jul 2008
General Lee (7/11/2008)
if you cannot afford to run it without LPG then I would sell it.
Totally agree.
M
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By Chrisallse - 11 Jul 2008
"if you cannot afford to run it without LPG then I would sell it. " What a strange thing for a committee member to suggest to the Forum Members. if it makes your vehicle more affordable to run then why not convert it.Best regards Chris
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By The OC (Augusto) - 11 Jul 2008
It seems that LPG is a good alternative for those that use the car on a daily basis/ high mileage, without any apparent modification, although agree is quite a significant mechanical alteration.
At the same time those looking to keep the car in "display/ collector" state and/ or have other cars to run a daily basis state would prefer to keep as original as possible ,which is also understandable.
Pragmatic versus purists .... there will always be a debate there... lets keep it high level though
No one should be in position to judge what others should do or can afford or not ....Committee member or not...
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By General Lee - 12 Jul 2008
Hello All,Check out the following link to a goverment web site, look at the charts to see the difference between petrol and diesel. Note the little difference between TDV8 and 4.4 V8 .:crazy: It will on the figures quoted, take roughly over 3 years to get LPG cost back, before you start to gain the benifit. :w00t: http://www.vcacarfueldata.org.uk/search/runningCostSearchResults.asp
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By julesthorne - 12 Jul 2008
I seen the web site, but what no one has yet discussed is the ability to run both your engine and your BBQ!!! They'll all be singing the praises of LPG when the Sausages are ready!!! :D
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