By Iona Disko - 8 Aug 2008
Where would you put the spare wheel if you could no longer mount beneath?I am exploring three options: 1. Use an aerosol tyre filler if I get a puncture and carry no spare 2. Mount on existing roofrack (but what mount do I use?) 3. Mount on after-market swing away rear carrier (http://www.duckworthparts.co.uk/acatalog/Off-road_Preparation.html) I think the most elegant solution is the rear swing away. It has been seen on G4 vehicles, it is easy to access and a conventional method tried and tested on 4x4s and lambretta scooters. The downside is that it may foul the removable NATO hitch I use for towing or worse I may no longer be able to fit the NATO hitch when needed. The Roof option I think is out... I had a 110 double cab with this arrangement, it made a ridiculous amount of wind noise at anything over 45mph and getting it down was a farce when on your own. Putting it up again was never accomplished on my own. I'm not keen on the aerosol arrangement as this is only any use on relatively minor repairs and is short term. Has anyone else tried the swing away carrier?
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By CraigS-L - 8 Aug 2008
I know Nick Jennings of DOC and Disco3.co.uk has a swing away he is very happy with as he has a long range tank on his TDV6 (195 litres to fill :w00t: ). He got his from Frogs Island as his son works there.Personally if I were doing the LPG thing (which I am probably not now as the second car scenario seems best for work) I would probably get the aerosol for day to day, strap it down in the boot if I was doing a long trip/off road, or put it on the roof if it was long trip with the 3rd row seats being used. The lights and plaque make enough noise that I doubt a tyre on the back half of the roof would make a huge difference. Because of the normal position of the spare would be completely inaccessible if off road /in ruts/ stuck in sand, I know many of the serious D3 guys keep the sapre in the boot anyway.
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By martin bisby - 8 Aug 2008
i cannot fault Duckworth's for the choice of swing away i recall ben had this on his D3 G4 qhite a few other reputable critics have raved about the add on and how practicle it is, some even have dual wheels on the back.looks cool as well i would go with the swing away regards martin
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By Mark & Melanie - 8 Aug 2008
I've put the spare on the roof of my FFRR after lpg conversion using the top hat design bracket @ the front, used a spare wheel cover from a sport (FOC from Dealer) to cover, with clamp and lock on the top to prevent loosing on an easy jet flight..... No more noticeable wind noise than before.You do have to say good bye to multi storey car parks but you normally have anyway with the lamps and roof rack... Mark
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By jimcarr - 8 Aug 2008
I went for the "on the roof rack" option on my RRS when I fitted the long range tank, I mounted it close to the front of the roof rack using an aluminium spare wheel mount from Scorpion Racing, holds it nice and secure, with no appreciable wind noise (can hardly see it actually). When ever I have had a puncture, by the time you have noticed it and stopped, a 50 or 55 aspect ratio tyre is damaged on the side wall or pretty much ruined in a short distance to be able to us the tyre repair foam canister! The only negative about the swing away spare wheel carrier that I can see (will not fit RRS) is that you are hanging the weight of the wheel a lot further back on the vehicle (weight and leverage) and you have to fix the mount through the body, if ever removed it will leave holes in the body and it was not an original G4 Challenge fitment!Cheers
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By Erasmus - 8 Aug 2008
On a "normal" D3 I'd go for the swingaway carrier, IMO it improves the look of the D3 considerably. Having said that there is still the question of whether moving the spare compromises the rear impact zone :ermm:
On a G4 D3 I wouldn't fit a carrier as it wasn't part of the kit used on the event. If I was going to fit LPG, and I'm not sure I would do that either, I would put the spare on the roof.
My 2cents anyway :P
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By stu_007 - 8 Aug 2008
Regarding this subject, I'm trying to locate what Land Rover used to mount the second spare on the roofrack for a Defender, my SD roofrack just has a load of holes, but no holder. I know that some of the 2006 BREED roofracks still have these holders, any ideas???
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By camel_landy - 8 Aug 2008
stu_007 (8/8/2008) Regarding this subject, I'm trying to locate what Land Rover used to mount the second spare on the roofrack fora Defender, my SD roofrack just has a load of holes, but no holder. I know that some of the 2006 BREED roofracks still have these holders, any ideas???
If it's 6x holes in 2x parallel lines, chances are, the spare wheel mount is exactly the same as what's fitted to the rear door.
HTH
M
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By martin bisby - 8 Aug 2008
camel_landy (8/8/2008)
stu_007 (8/8/2008) Regarding this subject, I'm trying to locate what Land Rover used to mount the second spare on the roofrack fora Defender, my SD roofrack just has a load of holes, but no holder. I know that some of the 2006 BREED roofracks still have these holders, any ideas???If it's 6x holes in 2x parallel lines, chances are, the spare wheel mount is exactly the same as what's fitted to the rear door. HTH M mark, would that fit under the rack between the roof? i was thinking it would be some kind of tube with a base plate and ability to padlock the whole assembly. regards martin
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By Chrisallse - 8 Aug 2008
Its quite a simple thing, it is a plate with a bolt that swivels and another plate that clamps the centre of the wheel all held down with one nut. I will try and get a pic for you over the weekend.Best regards Chris
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By jimcarr - 8 Aug 2008
Hi Martin,My spare wheel roof rack mount is a two bolt through the roof rack (was very fiddly to bolt up due to low clearance between roof and rack - no one could possibly steal it!) and a single stud up through the wheel bolt hole (hole in it to put a padlock through) Cheers
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By Iona Disko - 8 Aug 2008
I don't see why I need to keep the vehicle original?I'm not the original driver! None of you wear spandex pants and paddle a kayak to work (I trust) just to keep the faith. Practicality has to take presidence over the ideals of vehicle preservation and the moment a fat middle aged Landy enthusiast like me buys one it's all gone to the dogs anyway. While I have no intention of installing a third axle I do not think it is unreasonable to relocate the spare wheel - especially given you could never get the damn thing out from underneath. I reckon it was only ever put there as a perverted qualifying task for G4 competitors. If someone abseils into my office window having ran, swam, paddled and sweated to stop me; the order for the swing away goes in first thing on Monday. If you do make an attempt to prevent me, spare me the spandex; regular multi-pocket action slacks will do fine.
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By camel_landy - 8 Aug 2008
Iona Disko (8/8/2008) I don't see why I need to keep the vehicle original?
I'm not the original driver!
None of you wear spandex pants and paddle a kayak to work (I trust) justto keep the faith.
Practicality has to take presidence over the ideals of vehicle preservation and the moment a fat middle aged Landy enthusiast like me buys one it's all gone to the dogs anyway.
While I have no intention of installing a third axle I do not think it is unreasonable to relocate the spare wheel - especially given you could never get the damn thing out from underneath. I reckon it was only ever put there as a perverted qualifying task for G4 competitors.
If someone abseils into my office window having ran, swam, paddled and sweated to stop me; the order for the swing away goes in first thing on Monday.
If you do make an attempt to prevent me, spare me the spandex; regular multi-pocket action slacks will do fine.
:blink: :blink:
:ermm:
You're right... It's your car, you can do what the hell you like with it.
We started touching on this subject a few weeks back, i.e Originality. It's basically the same scenario as you have in the classic car market. Some collectors/enthusiasts look for originality in the vehicle they're purchasing, some want to show it in 'concourse' condition where are others are after a 'practical classic'.
M
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By camel_landy - 8 Aug 2008
martin bisby (8/8/2008) mark,
would that fit under the rack between the roof?
i was thinking it would be some kind of tube with a base plate and ability to padlock the whole assembly.
regards
martin
Nah... What I'm describing would be the same bracket that holds your spare onto the back door of the 110 or D2. If you wanted to add some security, you could always use one of the locking wheel nuts??
M
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By Erasmus - 9 Aug 2008
camel_landy (8/8/2008)
martin bisby (8/8/2008) mark,
would that fit under the rack between the roof?
i was thinking it would be some kind of tube with a base plate and ability to padlock the whole assembly.
regards
martinNah... What I'm describing would be the same bracket that holds your spare onto the back door of the 110 or D2. If you wanted to add some security, you could always use one of the locking wheel nuts?? M A bit like this.... 
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By Erasmus - 9 Aug 2008
Iona Disko (8/8/2008)
None of you wear spandex pants and paddle a kayak to work (I trust) just to keep the faith. Errrm, take a look at the pic in my profile :w00t: Anyway, yes it's you car to do with as you please. Personally I feel that moving it too far away from the G4 spec would be a shame. Certainly my car has had subtle mods done to it to make it better/easier to live with, but all of them are easily reversable and don't change the appearance of the vehicle as the wheel carrier would. LPG is a difficult one, done properly it doesn't adversly change the appearance, however from what I've read/been told there are a lot of problems with LPG converting the D3/RRS engine, to the point that some companies will not touch it. It also depends on the miles you do, you would need to cover quite a lot to get the cost back in relativley short time. Bottom line though, it's your car and your money...... Cheers,
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By stu_007 - 9 Aug 2008
Thanks for help with mounting second spare on roof. There are not six bolts so it's not a rear door carrier that was used, it must be the holder as Jim describes, my next question, where can I get hold of one?!?
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By Iona Disko - 9 Aug 2008
Erasmus (8/8/2008) [quote]Errrm, take a look at the pic in my profile :w00t:I'm just jealous... I wish my office was like that.
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By Mark & Melanie - 11 Aug 2008
scorpion racing not on the web but advertised in their ad in all LR magsaround £40 if i remember Mark
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By martin bisby - 11 Aug 2008
Erasmus (8/8/2008)
camel_landy (8/8/2008)
martin bisby (8/8/2008) mark,
would that fit under the rack between the roof?
i was thinking it would be some kind of tube with a base plate and ability to padlock the whole assembly.
regards
martinNah... What I'm describing would be the same bracket that holds your spare onto the back door of the 110 or D2. If you wanted to add some security, you could always use one of the locking wheel nuts?? M A bit like this.... 
thats the piece i thought mark was describing, hence my question woud it fit under the rack or is it a somple bolt on top of rack and use it as intended with locking nut, having looked at the picture i guess ive answered my own question, top fix and use as designed:blush: regards martin
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By jimcarr - 11 Aug 2008
Scorpion Racing web site:- http://www.scorpionracing.co.uk/
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By Mark & Melanie - 11 Aug 2008
i have a scan of the page from scorpion as it does not appear on there web page...I have included a sketch for the bracket for those DIY'ers as it would be easy to make. If anyone wants it send me a message include an email address as I am unable to upload. Hope this helps Mark
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By adesg4 - 26 Aug 2008
This is the assembly used on the 2006 vehicles. Consists of some standard Mantec components used to secure sand tracks.
If using the LR spare wheel carrier ensure you get the right one. Disco 1 and Defender ones are the same. Disco 2 is different having a smaller stud pattern 120mm dia as opposed to 165mm dia. The 6 mounting holes are in the same place though. I do not think 2003 racks had wheel mounts on them as wheels appear in all sorts of different places on the roofrack. Adrian
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By Camelroel - 27 Aug 2008
Will this only be on the 2006 Defenders or also on the D3?It's the same plate that also were used on the camel trophy cars for the sandladders and spare wheels. Roel
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By julesthorne - 27 Aug 2008
My spare is in the garage at home. I take a can on UK trips and wack the tyre in the boot for trips abroad. Works ok for me :) - and LPG is still sooooo much cheeper. Giggle your way to filling up for £39 :)Cheers Jules
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By adesg4 - 28 Aug 2008
Hi Roel,Brackets are the same for all vehicles in 2006 inc Freelander. Could well be same as used on Camel. Adrian
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By BlackPerth - 28 Aug 2008
I fitted a Long Range tank here in Oz - 115litres - and then put the tyre on the back with an Opposite Lock Rear WHeel carrier; second spare on the roof with tri-strap; no probs in 4500km's of Outback bush bashing (!). Oh, and no punctures (General Grabbers)...:)http://www.thelongranger.com.au/discovery3longrangefueltank.html http://www.oppositelock.com.au/redesign/department/productDetails.aspx?deptID=1&catID=39&itemID=RMAWM 







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By martin bisby - 28 Aug 2008
excellent photos, would you be kind enough to post some more of your trailer hitch for those members struggling to get the right set up for our NATO hitch on the D3REGARDS MARTIN
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By BlackPerth - 29 Aug 2008
No problems!! I'll cheat if thats OK and refer you to this site and thread:http://www.disco3.co.uk/forum/topic10853-420.html I was one of the first to fit the Mitchell Brothers Hitch and its is brilliant. $495 in Oz so whats that 220 quid?? Its engineered at 350Kg ball down force and 3500kg towing weight - same as factory hitch;
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