2009 Event cars...

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vaqueiro	vaqueiro posted 16 Years Ago Post Details
Group: Forum Member Posts: 22, Visits: 436	Hi folks, Despite being new to this, I'll throw in my opinion. I'm not so sure that a vehicle with no challenge history will appeal to true enthusiasts. This will no doubt reduce it's potential as a collectable vehicle. It should certainly be classed as a limited edition. I guess the '09 vehicles would be of more interest to the wealthy, outdoors type who would see it as a fashion accessory more than anything else. In that respect I don't think that engine type or model will make any difference. However, it would be good to see them on the road even if only to promote the G4 challenge and (with a few stickers) make the public aware of the connection with the IRC&RC societies. As for the colour scheme (no offence to the person(s) responsible for decorating the vehicles) but those side stripes just make me think Motorway Maintenance :D Vaqueiro.
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neo	neo posted 16 Years Ago Post Details
Group: Forum Member Posts: 9, Visits: 37	FWIW/IMHO, Whilst LR might be counting on the fact that the 'dedicated followers' will be keen to collect, the rest of the market is flat. Add in no service history etc or any event history and the seem even less desireable, unless your are a enthusiast. I understand they have well over 100 cars to deal with, will be interesting to see what happens, I can't see market value being high at present, its not like LR isn't already in a stock pile situation. And, model refresh is due late 2009 including new engines....... 4x4s, helping to make the world a 'warmer' place :D
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Superlightr	Superlightr posted 16 Years Ago Post Details
Group: Forum Member Posts: 113, Visits: 351	any idea of numbers and when they may be available from for the new G4 Defender ?- I would be keen to change in my G4 LE defender for a new shape G4 defender. www.thelettingagents.co.uk
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xtc	xtc posted 16 Years Ago Post Details
Group: Forum Member Posts: 49, Visits: 374	There were only 7 RRS built for the '09 event so I can see a bit of a punch-up coming on :D One of those has been in Mongolia for most of '08 so has some history to it.... I would imagine 2 or 3 will make their way to LRE franchises leaving only a few for sale. A Silver G4... Best of both worlds?! Roll on Mongolia! Oh boll0cks, no Mongolia, might have to get a proper job...
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Paul Burt	Paul Burt posted 16 Years Ago Post Details
Group: G4 Member Posts: 356, Visits: 1.2K	camel_landy (1/13/2009) marco g4 range rover (1/12/2009) I dont think it put every one off with the cars being v8 not diesel... That's not what I said though. It obviously didn't put everyone off, otherwise we'd never have a club but look at the 'Enthusiast' market and what has happened in the past. Firstly, 'Enthusiasts'. For most enthusiasts, to justify the purchase a G4 vehicle, they would also look to using it as a daily driver. A V8 petrol becomes an expensive proposition... Just look at the Range Rover market, someone purchasing a second hand vehicle is usually after a diesel rather than petrol and so the diesels retain their value better. Not that I'm a betting man but I'd almost put money on the fact the if the '06 G4 RRS was a TDV6, those cars wouldn't be sitting on AutoTrader right now! I'd also probably bet that PJB would still have his G4 RRS rather than having to change to a TDV6. ISTR that there was someone else on the forum who was forced to change their G4 Disco 3 when their company found out it was a V8 petrol... Don't get me wrong, I love my V8s, I'm a 'Petrolhead' & I've driven them for years :cool: but I do also realise that some people have problems with the fuel consumption. However, I also think that this is where the '09 vehicles will make up for their lack of 'history'... M You are right, if my RRS had been a diesel I would still have it - At least I still see it everyday but sadly do not own it - and if the 09 vehicles come out at a sensible price, ie I'm expecting them to be discounted on a standard spec and colour car, then I for one will try to buy one. Why do I think they will be discounted - The land rover main dealers were initially very uninterested in what came out so they bid very low on the 2003/2006 vehicles. Suddenly a market developed & they all jumped in, but many had difficulty selling them as it was often the specialists who were better placed to sell for the higher prices. - This time the event has been scrapped they never took part in an event so the genuine event factor is gone, the additional equipment makes very little difference except to a sad geek like me, they will have a novelty factor and that sadly is probably all, and finally the 4x4 market has dropped off a cliff and I cannot see many dealers wanting to take a punt on what might become a vehicle that is very difficult to sell - They are happy for us to lose money on cars but they are not going to bid very high on cars that in a normal spec lose £2k a month. - they will be looking to sell within 12 weeks, so will buy accordingly, they are in business to make a profit and as many have had their fingers burnt recently I cannot see them offering good money. - At least this is what I'm hoping for ! If we all talk the market down I might get my G4 TDV8.;) The only fly in the ointment is my wife drives my car all the time and I'm driving her mini, even cheaper to run, and I'm not sure she will be so keen on another tango. Regards Paul Currently - Porsche Cayenne Previously G4RRS - BV55 YZD - Team Vehicle 2006 Bolivia Stages 3 & 4 & G4 110 BP52GJE 2003 South Africa - Vehicle No 61
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martin bisby	martin bisby posted 16 Years Ago Post Details
Group: G4 Member Posts: 657, Visits: 2.7K	craig you beat me to that reply, yes CFB is subject to some rather pointed banter over there, however my two pennyworth is that LR might sub the 09 fleet to LRE, however that would not be very smart as LRE exist to prove to ordinary purchasers that their vehicle is as capable as the silverfleet and it would be rather daunting for the "average" punter to find a tricked up all bells and whistles exped vehicle sitting there waiting to be mastered in a free half day slot,(LRE instructors please dont flame me i do know of the other good work you do) the question of would they command a premium, actully no they wouldnt 1. no history (03 & 06 and the camel's for a long number of events) 2. as mark says the add on stuff is available ex stock, paint? maybe 3. only the recce vehicles have done something and would not engineering be looking at the FL2 to see how its stood up. but whats one recce in comparison to the 03 & 06 recce vehicles 4. you wouldnt buy one just because its diesel(as in 2 above) as i am sure that LR wont sell too cheaply after all most only have delivery milage and not like the 03's with 3-4K on the clocks. the way forward in my opinion is for LR TO RELEASE ALL THE 03 STOCK AND LET THE CLUB PROMOTE THE g4 GHALLENGE CONCEPT regards martin 2003 Stage 3 Event Vehicle D2 V8i ES Founding Chairman G4 Owners Club
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CraigS-L	CraigS-L posted 16 Years Ago Post Details
Group: G4 Member Posts: 479, Visits: 2.6K	ISTR that there was someone else on the forum who was forced to change their G4 Disco 3 when their company found out it was a V8 petrol... CFB on disco3.co.uk But then he has single handedly tries to keep LR production lines moving, he is on about his 5th D3 and has had Puma Defenders and 2 FL2's in the last couple of years ........(running joke on the other forum) Craig Steger-Lewis 2006 D3 Thailand Media Vehicle Stages 1 & 2 2004 D2 Landmark Auto (much missed already!)
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camel_landy	camel_landy posted 16 Years Ago Post Details
Group: Forum Member Posts: 264, Visits: 2.9K	marco g4 range rover (1/12/2009) I dont think it put every one off with the cars being v8 not diesel... That's not what I said though. It obviously didn't put everyone off, otherwise we'd never have a club but look at the 'Enthusiast' market and what has happened in the past. Firstly, 'Enthusiasts'. For most enthusiasts, to justify the purchase a G4 vehicle, they would also look to using it as a daily driver. A V8 petrol becomes an expensive proposition... Just look at the Range Rover market, someone purchasing a second hand vehicle is usually after a diesel rather than petrol and so the diesels retain their value better. Not that I'm a betting man but I'd almost put money on the fact the if the '06 G4 RRS was a TDV6, those cars wouldn't be sitting on AutoTrader right now! I'd also probably bet that PJB would still have his G4 RRS rather than having to change to a TDV6. ISTR that there was someone else on the forum who was forced to change their G4 Disco 3 when their company found out it was a V8 petrol... Don't get me wrong, I love my V8s, I'm a 'Petrolhead' & I've driven them for years :cool: but I do also realise that some people have problems with the fuel consumption. However, I also think that this is where the '09 vehicles will make up for their lack of 'history'... M __________________________________________ The box said: "Windows 11 or better...." ...So I used a Macintosh. :D __________________________________________
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Emon	Emon posted 16 Years Ago Post Details
Group: Committee Members Posts: 695, Visits: 2.5K	Some interesting points raised here and oft discussed with any collectables, at the end there is little science in it. We all probably make up our own minds, I would like to get a 09 D3 as well as keeping the beloved 03 Defender - if luck and financial fate allow it. Being a hobbyist dealer, I asked my wife just how she deals with 'collectables' to add a bit of science into it, she said she makes an educated guess on the following attributes: 1. Iconic design typifying a time or period; 2. Rarity or potential rarity; 3. Condition; 4. Practical value, but this is very much up to the individual; 5. Pedigree; 6. Time; Regards, Emon Chairman 2008 - 2016 Current G4 - D3 LHD V8 BN55WRG Previous G4 - D3 from Belgian national selections, BG08VFK Previous G4 - 110, BT52OVG
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~~marco g4~~	~~marco g4~~ posted 16 Years Ago Post Details
Group: Banned Members Posts: 765, Visits: 45K	I dont think it put every one off with the cars being v8 not diesel, I dont think i would of bought it if it was a diesel as it was the td6 engine thats underpowered at the time, and it depends if you bought it for day to day use or just for a laugh. Mark 06 G4 FFRR, V8 90 g4 owners club treasurer 2010-2016 G4 06 FFRR. G4 09 FFRR G4 06 D3. G4 09 RRS tdv8 Gone 06 G4 defender 110. G4 LE Freelander. V8 90.
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